Nase dojmy z prubehu konference PPI v Kazani sobota: - komplikace se zprostředkováním přístupu k zápisu z jednání. Jsme nadšeni. - quorum not clearly asset - nedostatečnost zápisu + nesrozumitelnost přenosu => nadšení na druhou - agenda nebyla diskutována, i když to bylo ve schválených procedurálních pravidlech - odeslán email se stanoviskem remote delegates k dosavadnímu průběhu jednání - vypadl streaming a my se tudíž nyní nemůžeme podílet na diskuzi nad stanovami (11:55/13:55) - debata nad tím, jestli odejdeme a budeme všechno bojkotovat - momentálně probírají (12:20) SAPs, aniž bychom se jakkoli mohli zapojit, protože stream nefunguje a pad je aktualizován jednou za 10 minut s již hotovými výstupy bez možnosti naší interakce - stremaují telefonní hovor tím (12:35), že drží telefon před kamerou :D - v oficialnim zapisu se objevil vysledek hlasovani o nasem proceduralnim navrhu s tim, ze se jedna o neformalni hlasovani a my jsme o nem nemohli hlasovat neděle: * (9:35/11:35): byli jsme požádani o instalaci Skype; jdeme si pro kýbl, abychom tu neznečistili podlahu, až se nám udělá nevolno * (9:49/11:49): nejsme schopni nainstalovat Skype; protestujeme a žádáme o oficiální komunikaci přes Mumble; streaming nefunguje; proxy nefunguje; německý Pirát v Bruselu nám navrhl, že máme mluvit přes Mumble a on to vyřídí přes Skype do Kazaně * (10:00/12:00) opouštíme GA a přesunujeme se na apophis.ch * (11:21/13:21) zavolali jsme na oficiální kontakt přes Skype (kýbl už je plný); náš hovor byl odmítnut * (11:48/13:48) Markéta právě zjišťuje, že odinstalovat Skype již není tak jednoduché jako jeho instalace; long live non-free software! ;-) Statement of remotes: The quorum was not clearly assesed. (There are not 10 (=28/3) ordinary members in the pad clearly as present or represented.) The agenda was not presented, disscused and voted. (As said in the approved RoP.) The proposed motions for RoP were not taken into account. The keeper of the minutes is not really appointed (not sure if the person knows his responsibilities mentioned in RoP article 8). The remotes are not able to follow and participate in a reasonable way. Due to these errors and fails, the meeting of GA can hardly be considered as started, so we propose to act as was agreed before and is written in the RoP and to re-start the conference. We also require a complete list of delegates (present and represented) and proxied votes. PP-PT aproves the above statement of remotes PP-AU approves this statement PP-CZ approves the statement above PP-CAT approves the statement above) - řešíme obsazení boardu - 4 PP-CZ delegáti a cirka 2-3 další (PP-CAT Muriel, PPCH Patrik) Návrh řešení: 1) Repeating of the original vote to assess quorum 2) Vote to revoke a decision to declare that the GA has started. 3) Motion to reassess the quorum. 4) Postpone indefinitely motions (MOP-1, MOP-2) 5) Table the discussion on agenda as the next point on the agenda BOLD STATEMENT: Hello everyone! Most of you were today, April 20th, present at the PPI GA in Kazan as remote delegates. After some discussion among us on Mumble, etc., we, the delegates of the PP-CZ, came to a conclusion that we are not the only ones feeling that the first day of the conference wasn't processed properly. Although we had submitted the Statements of remotes, no one was able to react. We were trying to communicate with the organizers and the chairmen but they didn't respond. We wanted to participate in the discussion and we weren't actually allowed and even if we were willing to state our opinion via e-mail (which we still consider as a quite inappropriate way of communication for the intended purpose) the streaming was often disconnected and the sound was poorly distributed so we couldn't have caught up with the debate at all. So, our proposal is that if the situation doesn't improve enough tomorrow we would like to organize an immediate Mumble meeting, where we can discuss and prepare extraordinary, purely on-line PPI GA meeting where the agenda of the Kazan conference would be properly processed. We are willing to take full responsibility for the preparation of both of these meetings. We're now going to wait for the development of the second day. Should the conditions mentioned above remain the same (nothing will change or improve) during tomorrow's conference session, the meeting will be held two hours after the start of the conference (12:00 Kazan time, 10:00 CEST) on apophis.ch Mumble server (port 64738) and we'll be looking forward to you all joining us. Best regards, PP-CZ delegation